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Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago

Posted Nov 18 2008, 11:10 PM by damaster with 13 comment(s)

Looking through my files today, I came across a set of “MSN Wave 11” (v7) concept images that were released back in December 2004, when Windows Live wasn’t even around yet (according to Wikipedia, Windows Live was first announced on November 11, 2005). That was almost four years ago, when MSN Messenger 6 just got released into final. Nevertheless, it surprised me how similar looking the concept was compared to what we have now in Messenger Wave 3. Digging through Live Search archives, here’s what was said about the vision for the future of (MSN) Messenger/Hotmail/Spaces:

The key parts of MSN Wave 11 are:
• Me (My Identity)    [Windows Live Profile?]
• My Relationships (My Social Network)     [Windows Live People?]
• Catch up     [Windows Live Home, What’s New feed?]
• Publish & Archive     [Windows Live Spaces?]
• Communicate     [Windows Live Messenger]
• E-mail, IM, & SMS    [Windows Live Hotmail]
• Voice & Video    [Windows Live Messenger, Call]
• Share     [Windows Live SkyDrive, Photos?]
• Fun (Play Together)    [Windows Live Groups?]

MSN Spaces - MSN are planning to create "Group Spaces", although like the recently launched Blogging service these will allow you to create a place to share ideas, to do lists, notes, calendars, etc. with your family and friends. On the IM side of things, Messenger is likely to integrate by allowing people to create a group of friends, with the possible addition of "Circles" in MSN Messenger. Although in very early stages of development it's likely "Circles" will integrate fully with MSN Group Spaces.

MSN Hotmail - Although there are little details on how the new wave will effect Hotmail, it's likely that the tight integration of MSN Group Spaces will change Hotmail’s current contact features.

MSN Messenger - The Messenger main window is due to take on a Client dashboard paradigm with…user-customizable layout and multiple bar parts available. Other additions include RSS/Subscription info, file sharing info [of contacts]…

Sounds interestingly familiar? Wait until you see the comparison of the main contact list window from Windows Live Messenger (Wave 3) and the prototype concept image of “MSN Wave 11” created four years ago:

Comparison

Coincidence? I think not. What you see in Wave 3 was not something that came out of the blue. As mentioned in the interview with the Messenger team previously, some of the new features we see in Messenger Wave 3 took years of planning to finally get into this release. Well, it seems like it took Microsoft a good four years to finally transform this “vision” into real products. At least we could say that they’ve been sticking to their plan pretty well all these years!

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ChaosAngelic wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 8:34 AM

This is great... it shows MS has thought this out quite a bit.  Unfortunately for them, other (in my opinion, inferior) services have taken over since then, so they'll have to work even harder to get these products out there.

BV2312 wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 9:36 AM

4 yrs ago? I thought 2005 was 3 yrs ago

ChaosAngelic wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 10:39 AM

@BV2312:

The "4 years ago" references December 2004.  Reread it. :P

BV2312 wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 11:14 AM

Oh my BAD :S sorry lol

ProfessorAsian wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 12:42 PM

Anyone remember 3 degrees. Much of what is in messenger now came from that as well.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Threedegrees

Zaarin wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 4:23 PM

I wish a media player "panel" would be added to messenger, as well as calendar integration.

damaster wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 4:54 PM

@BV2312: Yeah sorry that was worded a bit confusingly. The "4 years" was referring to December 2004.

Alber1690 wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 8:29 PM

Very interesting post. I've always wanted to write something up on a similar comparison between the MSN Browser and certain technologies present in Windows and Windows Live services today.

On a side note, has anyone else been experiencing issues with being kept signed in on LiveSide? Every other day or so I find myself having to sign in again, both via Windows Live ID and my credentials here. I'm asking so I can identify if it's an isolated issue or it's affecting others. This started within this last week or so.

cJr wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 8:52 PM

@Alber1690:

I don't seem to be experiencing this problem. I have been signed in to LiveSide with my Windows Live ID for a month or so and have not had to sign in again.

Hope you can figure out the problem and get it sorted :)

Alber1690 wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 9:55 PM

@c-JR: See, just within the last time I signed in to post that, I had to sign in again right now to post this. But thank you for that, at least now I know it must be on my end. Thanks!

ChaosAngelic wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 10:16 PM

@Alber1690:

Yes, I've been having the same problem, actually.  I'm guessing it's probably something in my browser settings.  All I have to do is just click the account to log in anyway... so it hasn't bothered me much.

Alber1690 wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 10:31 PM

@ChaosAngelic: Hmm, did you recently or have you recently been using IE8? I would have to do the same, but I'm just too used to just scrolling down and posting comments. I think it might be an IE8 cookie issue. I added Liveside.net to the always allow list. As of right now, it's worked. I'll post a comment here after 3 or 4 days to fully prove that worked.

damaster wrote re: Looking at the past – a vision for Messenger four years ago
on Tue, Nov 18 2008 11:01 PM

Not sure if it's related Alber1690, but I know that if you're signed in to http://liveside.net , it does not mean you're signed in to http://www.liveside.net  (the difference betwen the "www." in the front). Somehow the cookies doesn't register the that the two addresses are the same website.

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