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by Kip Kniskern on 29 Sep 2008, 04:31 PM with 32 comment(s) and 3,806 views

No more Ideas - beta policy changing?

Last night saw the migration of the Windows Live beta pages from ideas.live.com to get.live.com. While this move now provides a central location for all Windows Live services, it puts a question mark over how future Windows Live betas will be run.

To recap, Windows Live betas were previously run in several ways:

  • Managed betas - these are run via Microsoft Connect, feature most interaction with the product teams and can include private newsgroup access. Number of users is typically low. Examples have originally included Kahuna (Windows Live Hotmail), Messenger and Mail desktop.
  • Closed betas - these were run through ideas.live.com, allowing more users to participate than a managed beta. However the ability to restrict access (both download and signin) to only certain authorised individuals meant that there was a level of control that could be exercised over the beta program. Products with managed betas typically get expanded to become closed betas, alternatively products can go straight into a closed beta (Windows Live TV).
  • Open betas - these are when there are no / very few restrictions placed on who can use the beta product. Windows Live Mail is perhaps the most well known product currently in this stage.

With betas services now being moved away from ideas.live.com, there now seems to be somewhat of a question mark over the future of closed betas. With nearly all the products on the new beta homepage being in open beta, it is difficult to tell exactly how betas will be managed in the future. However a quick look at the previously closed Windows Live TV beta does not show that I'm registered for the beta program (and so am unable to download the application). Also of note is the inability to sign in on the beta page. With early-adopters provide valuable feedback on the direction and stability of new services, potentially cutting them out of the beta process and going straight to open betas can only be a bad thing.

While it is difficult to comment on the future of managed betas, this transition away from ideas.live.com is part of a growing trend. As we've highlighted previously, the openness and transparency that was one associated with the Windows Live initiative no longer seems to be present; reducing access to beta products can only compound this.

Update: Please see Kevin Briody's comment regarding this.


Posted Apr 13 2007, 10:29 AM by Chris
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Emexci wrote re: No more Ideas - beta policy changing?
on 04-13-2007 11:11 AM

interesting news..

aho wrote re: No more Ideas - beta policy changing?
on 04-13-2007 4:43 PM

i think the new betas page looks better than the old ideas page anyway!

orionll wrote re: No more Ideas - beta policy changing?
on 04-13-2007 4:54 PM

No I do not think they are stopping the betas because, if you go to http://get.live.com/betas/home you can see all the Windows Live Betas.  I was re directed here and not to get.live.com.  And also from your link I was re directed to get.live.com/betas/home.

Chris wrote re: No more Ideas - beta policy changing?
on 04-13-2007 7:07 PM

Orionll it seems that closed betas do not appear to be able to run from the new site, only public betas.

LosHavros wrote re: No more Ideas - beta policy changing?
on 04-13-2007 7:31 PM

Yup Chris, I agree with your closing comment in the article.  I hope the Windows Live team know what they are doing...

Kevin Briody wrote re: No more Ideas - beta policy changing?
on 04-13-2007 9:24 PM

Hi Chris,

Thanks for noticing the change to our beta pages. I want to address your concerns. In short, this has no impact at all on our plans for future betas on any product or service. The site changes were done solely for marketing and operational reasons.

Moving the beta site over to get.live.com allows us to consolidate on one publishing platform (get.live) that is better set up for use to evolve it down the road than ideas.live.com was. Get.live.com also better reflects Windows Live branding – ideas.live went up before we were locked on that, so it had some inconsistencies. Finally, this allows us to have one less URL in use, generally a good thing.

In the course of making this move, some functionality available on the previous beta site was lost for the short term. For example, there is no distinct signed-in/signed out experience, and we cannot show how many invitations you have. We’re evaluating what is most important for the user experience here, what needs to be added in, etc.

On betas: We will continue to support open, closed and managed betas, just as before, with no change. Which product uses what type of beta, at what stage in the release cycle has always been the call of the individual product team, and that isn’t changing either. How and where you log in to check on your invitations and such might be different, but that’s it.

I hope this helps,

Kevin Briody

Windows Live

Custom Computers wrote re: No more Ideas - beta policy changing?
on 04-14-2007 7:07 PM

IT WOULD SEEM, from research that moving things around and having so many LIVE LINKS AND BLOGS are alikened to a moving target to enhance usage.  We find in discussions  that a very small percentage of the public are currently aware of the

numerous WL Products.

We use and like very much the WL products we have but feel proper public awareness is an important issue Microsoft must address.

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